Rome's Jesus

Many Messianics Admit: Rome Invented Catholicism... But...

There are a large amount of Messianics, who after defection from the mostly Protestant churches, have researched the origins of the things they rejected from mainstream Christianity. Like Christmas, Easter, Sunday sabbath - things they could not find in the Bible. So when they figure out where these things came from, they realize that they were supposedly created during or around the time of Constantine, a Roman Emperor who further organized Christianity from its founding.

In other words, Constantine added certain pagan elements to Christian belief, contrary to what original Christians believed.

What they do not realize is that before Constantine, Christianity was founded by a Roman emperor, Titus, destroyer of the second Temple, and who suffered a horrible death as a result of his sins. According to the Talmud (Gittin 56b), a mosquito or insect flew in his nose and into his brain where it slowly ate away at it for seven years. When he died, his head was opened and the insect had grown to the size of a bird. He did not just get this for destroying the second Temple, but I believe also for the creation of the Jesus fable. You'll find out soon what I am talking about, if you don't already. This stuff gets really interesting...

Roman Catholicism Was Not Original Christianity?

A big claim by many Messianics is that Christianity was not originally the Roman Catholic brand that was put together by Constantine. I can prove that wrong, and I want to make this blog short and sweet, so I will.

Why Rome's Christianity Was First

Aside from Christmas, Easter, Sunday sabbath, etc, which Messianics are well to know isn't "in the Bible", there are other things done and believed throughout the whole Christian spectrum, Catholic, Protestant, and Messianic, which also clearly have nothing to do with a real Jewish messiah.

And these things were present at the very beginning of the Christian religion, along with Christmas and Easter which were already Roman holidays. Messianics say the "New Testament" is free of these things, and while there is no mention of Christmas, there is of a virgin birth and a multitude of other things you will see shorlty which parallel the life of Mithras, the Roman's sun god.

The Christian Bible's narrative of the Jesus story corresponds to several main life events of the pagan sun god of the collective pagan religion of the various ancient world powers, like Egypt, Babylon, Greece, and Rome.

The details are vivid and undeniable!

Is there anything else I can say? Throw in some Jewish concepts, names, a couple ideas, mix it with the sun god's life and story and - wallah! you've got Jesus!

But who put it together in the first place, since it already existed in Constantine's time?

Author of Christianity

The evil slime I mentioned above, Titus Flavius. In very, very short words, when Titus came to attack Israel, a Jewish scholar named Yosef, or Josephus in Latin, defected and endeared himself to the Roman general Titus. Josephus changed his name to Flavius Josephus in honor of his new master. As the Roman Empire deified their emperors to the status of gods (like the Pharaohs of Egypt), Titus, who had succeeded his dead father as emperor became the "son of god". With the help of Flavius Josephus and others to throw in some Jewish ideas and concepts, in order to put an end to the Jewish uprising against Rome that were fueled by their strong belief in a Davidic Messiah who would restore Israel to Jewish hands, the Jesus narrative was formed.

Titus did something extraordinary for evil by mixing himself (a Roman "god") and the Mithras sun god myth of Roman paganism with the concept of a Jewish Messiah, only changing the warrior Messiah concept, which had cost a lot of Roman soldiers their lives in a Jewish revolt shortly before Titus' destruction of the Temple, to a pacifistic man.

By doing this, he sought to end the idea of a Jewish warrior Messiah like David, so the Jewish people would be docile and accepting of Roman rule in the future. He fused the Roman religion with some Jewish concepts, and created a monster that is one of the biggest religions today, and has been for the past near two thousand years.

For this summary in its full detail, watch this very interesting documentary:

What Titus Didn't Expect

Is that, after 2,000 years of exile, the Jewish people have survived anything and everything that Rome's successor, Christian Europe, could throw at them. It was a low time, a down point, a real dark age. But now, Jews have not only survived, but we are now in our land and the redemption of everything is about to happen.

Christian Europe is dying, being raped by Islam. Christianity is dying altogether in Europe, only maintaining to exist strong in America. The whole world's societies are experiencing religious decline as secularism and religious-in-name-only reign supreme. The Jewish people are still waiting for a warrior Messiah who will shake off all foreign rule, and that is what we are going to get - someone completely different than Jesus. Someone who will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, return the exiles of Israel, and lead Israel back to a Kingdom, the Kingdom of HaShem on this earth; something Jesus never did and never did anything remotely alike. In the end, there will be only one truth and all will admit the truth of Torah and King David's throne will rule once again.

Dwindling Messianic Numbers? Family Matters 2

My Jesus-Loving Brother

It has been almost a year before my last post, but I want to get back into blogging regularly here, so stay tuned.

My Messianic blogger brother, Judah Himango, whose blog site is called Kineti L'Tzion (if only!) recently blogged about "apostates", Messianics leaving Yeshu. I am glad to announce, former Messianic blogger Gene Shlomovitch has rejected the Christian messiah. This is especially good for me to hear, being that Gene is a Jew. I have been trying to find Gene's email address, but I haven't been successful. Gene, if you're reading this, contact me, I want to congratulate you.

What Went Right With Me

The blog also mentions me, and the descriptions of my exit out of that world are not accurate. Twisting the facts to present things well is okay for Messianics and Christians, I guess, since Paul said its okay. I will tell you all how it really happened:

It started by studying Judaism. Judah got that much right. When you study Torah and are really interested in it, it can have life changing effects. It can make an idolater into a worshiper of the One True God. After all, isn't the whole point of Torah serving HaShem and Him only? Shema`, anyone?
And as I began learning Torah, I began to realize how little Messianics know about it. How little I knew about it. Today, after studying for a couple years, clearly I do not know much. That is the scope of how huge Torah is. By it's nature, being divine, it is actually infinite. In the end, it just doesn't take long to figure out, Jesus and Torah don't go together; and that was ultimately the sole changing factor in my ascent from the pit.

There were other factors which helped, but were not the main cause. Such as Messianics are as fractured as a community as Protestants, in fact perhaps worse. Every person believes something different that puts them at odds, at conflict, and even sometimes considering others heretics. That's what I saw among the many Messianics I knew and knew of, all different kinds ranging from those who are almost just like regular Christians to those who lived as Orthodox Jews. And that lack of unity is what I am about to talk about...

No True Messianic Unity

While the lack of unity in the Messianic community may be a strong point of it's impending downfall, it is only an outside view of the deeper issue. The deeper issue is that either you will find it to be a nice little denomination of Christianity that makes you feel important and righteous for leaving certain elements of Christianity (that, by the way, which is not true for the J4J crowd who promote standard Christianity and disagree with most of who call themselves Messianic), or you do like I did and learn so much Torah that Jesus is just going to have to go for good. Because, once you learn so much about HaShem and His will, you cannot serve another.

As someone who had never been Messianic pointed out to me, it seemed to him that the whole Messianic thing is just a dying cause, because there is no stable framework to maintain it. Either people will just end up being Christian, or their own thing altogether, or they will end up in Judaism or being Bnei Noah.

You know what? That guy was right. And I think the second option, their own thing altogether is what the reality already is in the Messianic world. So many Messianics are fragmented into little groups or even individual people, that it is just like a fantasy club where people make up their own religion - and that brings me to my next point.

Feeling Like God?

For the majority of Messianics it is this: you get out of the Christian church. You realized Christmas isn't in the Bible. Easter isn't, either. Heck, neither is the Sunday sabbath. Oh, and eating pork is bad, the Bible says. Yeshu said he didn't come to abolish the Torah, so I must have to keep it now. Paul says we aren't saved by works, but we are under grace, but that works are still necessary for salvation - wait, doesn't that contradict?

So some reject Paul, but most don't. But they get to the Torah part, so what do they do? Learn Hebrew? Listen to the people who have been living it through thick and thin for the last couple thousand years? Usually not. Usually, they end up making their own brand of "observance" of Torah. They have no Oral Torah, they reject it, therefore the Written leaves them confused and incomplete, especially since they don't even understand Hebrew to really read it for themselves. And no Oral Torah means no Torah at all and no stability. Anyone who really knows Torah knows what I am talking about. Halakha is the how-to guide and yes, it is of divine origin. Moshe learned the background info for the mitzvot of Torah that we term "Oral Torah". Of course he knew the background information! Of course he knew how to answer someone about all the details, how-tos, all the intricate depth of the Torah! Of course that was passed on! Anyone with a clear head, not brainwashed to think otherwise, will say: yeah, you have to listen to the Jews and their ancient traditions to know about the written law given to them.

Do you know how many times I have been left with no response by Messianics about what happened to the Mosaic Court of Devarim (Deuteronomy) 17? Or how they carry out that clear command from HaShem given in the verses of that chapter? Regardless that it is a rhetorical question, the answer is that no Messianic has ever told me how they carry out the command to not veer to the right or left of what the Hakhamim of Israel say. Not even one.

The point of these last three paragraphs is that they make themselves their own halakhic authorities (yet, halakha is a bad word by them). And how do they claim to have that authority? By the authority of Yeshu, who told Peter he now had the ability to "bind and loose", terms of halakhic significance. And that this power is accompanied by their "holy spirit". Yeah... riiiight...

And now we have come to the next point - keep following, I can't imagine any other anti-missionary has gone this deep!!!

Spiritual Authority?

Judah also mentions in my blog that one thing I had been "into" in my Messianic days was personal spiritual revelation. Yes, that's right. And so is he still into, along with my parents and all of my siblings. Is it reliable? No. How do I know? Because I have witnessed literally hundreds and hundreds of "words of the Lord", "words of knowledge" and "prophetic words" come out to either never happen, being false completely, or having some truth mixed with error, or rarely actually coming true.

Their is some reliable knowledge, and some things are not prophecies but rather they are information. This comes from the fact that you can definitely gain knowledge from the other side. You can even gain extra-sensory information from having no spiritual contact, merely being in touch with your soul which sees lots of things all the time.

That isn't the point. The point is, it does not have the reliability to give any psychic a career - much less determining Torah law! Guessing can be more accurate than these "words" people get. Nonetheless, people claim that they have the spiritual knowledge to know if they are sinning or not.

Clearly, with the wide ranging variety of Messianic ideas about the laws of Torah that exist, this claim couldn't possibly be true. Everyone ends up believing they are the ones who have it. Like my parents said in response to me asking them how they believe they can drive on Shabbat, igniting the engine, without transgressing "do not light a fire". I also asked that if they take the written command so literally, how do they even leave their house on Shabbat, since the Torah says no one can leave their place on Shabbat. To these questions, they replied "we feel that the need for fellowship overrules these things". Who actually buys that answer?

What if Mr. McMessianic number two or three thinks he can't drive, on the contrary? And he is spiritual too, listening to the same spirits you do - what then? They don't even think about these things.

It is a whole big disaster (especially since most of them shouldn't be attempting to keep Shabbat, unless they're actually Jewish), and it all comes back to everyone deciding for himself what the right way is. That means no unity, no adhesiveness, no future for any Messianic community which will continually split up into offshoot after offshoot after offshoot...

So, Uh... Messianic Numbers Dwindling?

I don't know statistics, and I don't care. Even if Messianic numbers happen to be on the rise, it doesn't take away from anything I said because it means that the whole Messianic "movement" is just a waypoint. There may be big influxes of former standard-Christians, but in the end, they will either end up leaving or becoming their own Messianic sect, like everyone else. And if they end up going the second route, they may be called Messianic and even meet and "fellowship" (I always loved that goofy term) with other Messianics, but they will ultimately be doing their own thing if they never eventually leave.

Judah said in his blog that Judaism is not the problem for people turning from Yeshu, but as we will see, his Messianic religion was perhaps not made for any other purpose than to introduce some aspects of Judaism to goyim.

Higher Purpose?

Rambam says that Christianity and Islam, two religions that mimic, borrow from, and all claim some succession to the original religion - Judaism, were allowed to thrive in much of the world for the purpose of introducing to the nations the concepts of Divine Law, Messiah, Resurrection of the Dead, etc; all so that when the actual Messiah comes, the world will be prepped. And I guess when formerly dead righteous Jews begin to resurrect from the grave, they won't believe it is a zombie apocalypse...? ;)

So, based on this idea, perhaps the Messianic "movement" is a movement in the right direction for some people, in that some definitely choose unadulterated Torah over the joke that exists in Messianism and their dead messiah who didn't do diddly-squat to bring in no exiles, to build no temple, nuthin'. It could be that this is why people usually eventually leave the Messianic world one way or the other.

Maybe Messianism is a gateway drug for some Christians to get them eventually hooked on the real stuff that gets you the highest. I would like to believe that, and I see that it happens like this sometimes. A large part of the Assyrian-exiled "northern tribes" never returned but were absorbed into various nations. Some of them have come back, like the Bnei Menashe of India for example. For those of you who say "I'm Ephraim", the answer is clear: Torah is the only way. Real Torah, conversion to Judaism by a beit din of kosher Jews. That is how it works, that is what HaShem says in Torah, and that is the only way you'll be an Israelite. Yeshu doesn't have any magical miracle cure for your gentile-ness. Nor do you need a cure for that - you can have a place in the next world without being Jewish! The Master of all the worlds laid out His standard of righteousness for Jews and non-Jews in His Torah.

Getting Through to Messianics Part 1

I recently watched a featured video by Jews for Judaism Canada:

Now, readers, the content is well and good, but it doesn't necessarily get through to Messianics. Of course, Jews for Judaism is primarily countering Jews for Jesus, not necessarily Messianics. And yes, there is a difference. As my brother recently wrote about in his Messianic blog, there is indeed a difference. While some J4Jesus might call themselves Messianic, the difference I am talking about is in the intentions of the missionary organization J4Jesus and the intentions of most groups titling themselves Messianic.

Again, I agree entirely with the content of this video, but let me show you some places that Messianics will try to get a word in to prove otherwise.

1.  Rabbi Skobac's first point is that when the coming Mashiahh is reigning as King, Israel will have been returned from exile. He says the past 2,000+ year exile, but couldn't it have been around the first century CE? It definitely could have been, and that is what any given Messianic might point out regarding this first point.

However, Rabbi Skobac is correct in that - this didn't happen in the time of Yeshu. It could have, but didn't. There were many Jews still in Bavel, and that is actually given in the Gemara, by Resh Lakish, as one of the reasons for this past Roman exile.

I don't believe, however, that all Jews must be in Israel in order for the Mashiahh to return Dawid's Kingdom. I think that will be a result of that Kingdom being re-established, and should it be soon in our days.

2.  Rabbi Skobac's second point is of the Temple and that it was still standing when Yeshu is said to have existed. That doesn't necessarily mean there couldn't have been a return of Dawid's Kingdom via his descendant to be Mashiahh, but it definitely would have needed to be at least somewhat reconstructed to its former glory.

However, that did not happen in the early centuries CE.

3.  The third point raised is that when Mashiahh comes, world peace will come about. This is true, but only after Israel destroys many nations.

But neither destroying Israel's enemies nor the resulting world peace happened via Yeshu. In fact, the opposite. As the Rabbi mentions, wars increased, sometimes in the name of Jesus, and very often against Israel. The Crusades, which resulted in persecution and destruction of Jewish life that had yet remained in the Land of Israel. Christian Europe was constantly involved in the persecution of Jews, a special hatred that is specifically bred by Christianity itself which labels Jews as "primitive" and non-believers in their claimed salvation.

4.  The fourth point is that at the time of the reign of King Mashiahh, Dawid, and his restored Kingdom, Jews will collectively become observant.

This is true, because by both physical and spiritual means, this re-establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven upon this earth, which is the Kingdom of Dawid, the aspect of emuna (faith) in HaShem will be elevated to it's proper place. This will affect the whole world, in fact, and lead to remaining nations in the earth to undoubtedly draw closer to HaShem.

For especially over the last 2,000 years, secularism and philosophy (the attempt to rationalize the Creator) have flourished, causing atheism, and people who follow their family's religion only in name. The Catholic who goes out and parties, does whatever he wants in his college years, indulges in hedonism. The Muslim who does whatever, just prays extra on Friday. And the Jew who minorly observes some religious customs while basically doing whatever he wants, following along in the culture of where he lives.

It would have been better had all of the nations stayed with their native pagan beliefs instead of forming new religions like Christianity and Islam which make mention of the Jewish people and claim to be the correct extension of them, and claim to correct mistakes that the Jewish people supposedly made. That is the largest catalyst of world anti-Semitism.

5.  Point number 5 goes together with the rest and has much to do with point 4.

This blog is getting a bit long, so I'm going to insert "Part 1" into the title and continue with the rest in a second post.

"Shadow of Things to Come" 2: Shavu`oth

The great day of Shavu`oth, the memorial of the giving of the Torah to Israel at Har Sinai through Moshe Rabbenu. A time to celebrate the Torah which separates the people of Israel from all other nations.

The Torah proclaims that HaShem is One; that there is no other Creator besides Him. One of the biggest forbidden things in the Torah is serving, worshiping, or even thinking about doing such. In fact, even if one defecates on an idol as an insult, if that is the way its worshipers praise this false deity, that person is still guilty of a sin, albeit an accident.

Merely giving the impression of serving any other god, even when one is not actually doing so, is forbidden. This is because a Jew must be seen as serving only HaShem, being that he is chosen for special service to HaShem, and any indication of foreign service is forbidden to the extreme.

So clearly, Shavu`oth has nothing to do with anything contrary to HaShem and His Torah. However, the Messianics and in fact all strains of Christianity say that on this day, there was a supposed outpouring of the "Holy Spirit" on "Pentacost" which is their holiday partially derived from Shavu`oth.

The term in Hebrew is Ruahh HaQodesh (please note: "hh" refers to the guttural "h" sound of the letter "hheth"; whereas most people pronounce this the same as the letter "khaf", a "kh"/"ch" sound). I distinguish between this and the Christian concept of Holy Spirit. It is said that the followers of the Christian messiah had a day paralleled by the Shavu`oth account of the Torah being spoken by HaShem in all the 70 languages of the goyim. What is claimed to have happened is people "speaking in tongues".

Speaking in tongues is meant in the NT to mean speaking in foreign languages at random. Whereas today, the Pentacostal sect of Protestant Christianity as well as some Messianics and other Christians know it is unintelligible speech as well as foreign languages.

So what is the point of all this?

"Speaking in tongues" may be random jibberish, a form of demonic influence on speech, or be a mixed spiritual experience; or it could be all of those or any combination of those. The point is, people who worship a foreign entity and breach a basic law of Torah - to serve only HaShem - are not in a position for spirituality in qedusa, rather they partake in the side of qelipa; the other side.

In other words, the Pentecost and the "Holy Spirit" of the goyim and of `avoda zara are the sittra ahhra (other side) version of what is in true Torah-Judaism.

Just as I learned earlier today on Shabat (it is motza"sh as I am writing this), in Liquttei Moharan, torah 8, the sighing of a Jew is great. The breath (neshima) is related to the soul (neshama) and has to do with the ruahh (spirit/wind/breath) of life that HaShem breathes into creation. The sigh of the Jew, fills the hhesron (lack) which exists in a given thing because of a lack of 'ruahh' in that thing. This sigh draws life into the thing.
On the flip side, the resha`im (the evil) symbolized by `Esaw who is "ish se`ir" draw their fulfillment of lack from the other side in what is a "ruahh se`ara" (storm wind), which is strong temporarily but results ends up sweeping away the bodies and souls of those who use it.

This "Holy Spirit" of the Christians is an aspect of `Esaw, the "ruahh se`ara"/storm wind, which has strong but temporary strength, and eventually passes away like every storm, bringing the bodies and souls of those who are caught up in it away into destruction. As we see, Christianity is passing away; and Messianism will either result in the currently non-Jewish, potential Jewish souls eventually coming to true Torah or the withering away of their lives.

"A Shadow of Things to Come"

It has been a while since my last blog post since I've been enjoying all of the hhagim. In light of the holidays, I'd like to take a brief look at the overview of all 7 of the DeOraita holidays. These are usually used as "proofs" by Messianics and "Hebrew Roots" Christians to the authenticity of their god's supposed miraculous birth and his claimed existence and ascension.

In fact, they are each usually referred to as "prophetic pictures" having described their god and messiah's supposed first coming and his fantasized second. In response to such an idea, I'd like to briefly refute their main points, and give the correct understanding. This post will be dedicated to Pesahh, and I'll continue with Shavu`ot, and Sukot.

Pesahh, firstly, as everyone knows, is a memorial of the exodus from Egypt. This is replayed in the exodus from every exile, in fact, since our Sages say that every exile is called "Egypt". A huge reason many of the Jewish people are often ensnared in exile, despite the fact that there is abounding persecution in each, is cultural assimilation and the idols of materialism. Cultural assimilation works in two ways. While in one way it leads to a loss in the number of Jews via intermarriage and through Jews thinking of themselves as one with the local populace, acting, talking, and dressing like them - it can also work in spreading Jewish lineage to those who are born goyim, and after a generation or two, those children often feel an arousing to return to some of their ancestors' people and religion.
This is explained by Rabi Nahhman of Uman, as I recall, having to do with Jewish souls being overpowered by the forces of the "other side", actualized by the goyim, and they end up being freed and returning to their source after some generations. This is the beauty of the idea of encouraging zera` Yisrael (that is, non Jews with some Jewish lineage or ancestors; for example, someone with only a Jewish father) to return to Judaism.

Nonetheless, Pesahh has nothing to do with Jesus. His worshipers claim him to be the "sacrifice lamb", akin to the pascal lamb, the blood on the doorposts, etc. What is quite comical is that slaughtering this lamb was a direct affront to the Egyptians, since they worshiped a lamb-god. Egyptians wouldn't kill and eat sheep or cattle, just like modern day Indians wouldn't the latter. Meaning slaughtering this lamb had to do with defamation, insult, and affront toward foreign deities, yet these people assign it to the exact opposite. Think about that for a moment.

I could go into the placing of sins upon sacrificial animal for atonement, for the Tanakhic fact that prayer is as these sacrifices. I could tie in the idea of repentance and confessing sins to HaShem as necessity in the act of repentance, etc. All of these things are known and written of, and I am fairly proficient in that knowledge. However, not many Messianics are very much. There is tons of confusion in their minds about this issue, as a result of the erroneous doctrines they are brainwashed with. I am not going to go in this topic on this particular post, but it would be a good one to write about in the future.

Pesahh truly symbolizes Jews getting out of exile, returning to the Land of Israel, rejection the way of life of the goyim, and their religions and idolatry (whether of gods or materialism). Christianity and all its forms, including Messianism, couldn't be a better example of the kind of foreign religion and idolatry. As you'll see, Messianism claims to be a fulfillment of the Tanakh, but yet is actually be the direct opposite, as in this case.

So let's see who HAS done HaShem's will and has gotten out of exile, back into the Land of Israel and have merited this return which keeps coming into fruition, continuously removing the layers of galut. Is it the Messianics, the vast, vast majority of whom live outside of Israel and most of whom are not halakhically Jewish? Or is it the Jewish people, who continue to go according to the Sages of Israel, not those who come up with their own interpretations, and who have returned to the Land of Israel in mass, established a thriving nation there, and are on their way to complete redemption? The answer is extremely obvious.

Antidote To The Big Swindle

I want you all to click this link and read my article that was published (thanks to R' Lazer Brody!) on Breslev Israel. It is about my spiritual journey from the fake sadiq to the Sadiq-Amath. Enjoy!

Family Matters

Still Waiting...
I've been waiting for over 2 weeks for a response from one of my brothers (biologically speaking), combating an issue he raised on my other brother's blog. I countered what he said and backed it up with verses from the Tanakh and common Torah knowledge and concepts. Very basic, not hard to do.

I still haven't received an answer, after reminding him about 2-3 times.

Just today, I confronted my ex-sister about a Christian anti-Semitic picture she 'liked' on Facebook, stating something like: "Draw the line between tradition and Torah, or you'll end up like the Pharisees". She proceeded to tell me that Torah isn't tradition (because, you see, tradition is just so bad...), but that it is a command, something obligatory.

I told her that if the Torah commands to teach it to our children and thereby be passing it on... it is logically and obviously then also tradition. This is a very simple concept. It is extremely elementary, and it just goes to show how much logic these people must throw away in order to maintain their senseless theology.

The Rooster, or the J-man?
I also mentioned to her that Messianics sure like to take verses here and there from the Tanakh to supposedly support their beliefs - but they CAN'T EVEN answer me when I ask them one single question raised against them from the Tanakh. Weak. They apparently don't realize, taking out snippets of the Tanakh and mis-applying them can be done to make a chicken look like the promised messiah. Poppycock (pun intended) like this is what happens when people who aren't adept at any level in Hebrew and Judaism try to make messianic claims.

It is so ridiculous how they tout and tout but then when I confront them they can't answer back. It is actually comical. When I recently began to converse with a Messianic blogger, I wrote to him a lot and answered some of his questions. It was civil until he chose not to answer my questions at all in our emails, but instead posted one of my questions on his blog. In the comments, this guy used the "born of a virgin" verse in the Tanakh - which doesn't actually exist since the word in question is alma, not bethula (idiots...). Despite that he doesn't know any Hebrew, he wanted to convince me that the Septuagint backs him up. He said that I was having a hard time arguing with him (HAHA), and that I should call for some back up.

People asked questions, but never answered any of mine. It was funny, this repetitive trend of me debunking lies and calling out their misconceptions, just for my own questions being ignored and me being asked more questions as if I didn't know how to answer. Or as if I didn't understand their assumptions that they were trying to get across. As if I had never heard such before in my younger years as a captive in Messianic theology. I answered and wasn't polite with them at all.

Ignorance and Arrogance
But you see, it doesn't get through to them ever. It is all about emotional connection and believing what you believe, knowing what you know, holding on to that "spiritual" emotionally warm feeling, and that assurance that you don't need to do jack, since Yeshu has it all covered. And how could you think twice? After all, if you're wrong, you really are screwed...
So they decide not to believe the people who actually do speak Hebrew and who make it their business to learn Torah for the length of their lives. The people who have the Torah not just as God-given law, but as a tradition ingrained in their very culture as well as their constant daily lives.

Every time I eat or drink anything, after I go to the bathroom, before I do a misswa, when I behold the greatness of HaShem's creation; I give thanks and recognize the power of my Creator. And that is an obligation. These people choose to ignore those on a higher level than them and to learn from those who are actually in the position to teach. Not so Zekharya 8:23 of them, now, is it?

It is time wasted to try to convince a die-hard `oved `avoda zara.